Thoughts of a messed up Christian saved by God's grace

Sunday, April 10, 2016

Staying out of their bathrooms and bedrooms Part 2

**Warning: This is one of those posts where I get personal and may share things you may find uncomfortable with. You have been warned.

  This is part 2 of my rebuttal to Mr John Pavlovitz' blog post "  Christians, We Need to Get Out of People’s Bathrooms (and Bedrooms)", a post in which he slams Christians and the church for daring to want men to use the men's bathroom and women to use the women's bathroom. My post got too long, so I spit it up. In the first post, I addressed the bathroom issue. Who would have ever thought you'd be called a bigot and hateful for wanting people to use the correct bathroom? I guess America has been full of hateful bigots for all of these years and we didn't even know. Good thing we have people like Mr. Pavovitz to clue us in.

 Some of what I say was addressed in a former blog post, A Gay Balance. I will try not to repeat too much of it.

 In this second blog post, I will address the second half of Mr Pavovitz's post, the bedroom part.

 Part 2: Staying out of their bedrooms.

   I said in the part of my rebuttal that I can't understand men who want to be women. I can't say that about this part. I understand all too well the attractions and desires that a man has for other men. I understand wanting someone to love, and I even understand the desire of gay men to want to marry a man and make an attempt at having a happily ever after.

 I have been dealing with this issue myself for most of my life. I totally get it, and to say I don't know what I am talking about or that I am a bigot for this post is insulting and a lie.

 Back when I first realized I wasn't attracted to females, and instead was attracted to men; I was floored. I was scared to tell anyone. I was afraid people would find out and I'd be ostracized. So I hid it for years. Back then, it was still not too widely accepted. If you'd said one day people would be fined for not baking a cake for a gay wedding or for refusing to photograph a gay wedding, the majority of Americans would have thought you were nuts.....but here we are.

 It is interesting if you read how this has happened. I have read a few books recently that outlined the plans of the militant gay faction. They had a deliberate plan of what to say, how to portray Christians and the church who would stand in their way, and it worked. What once was hidden and looked at with revulsion is now paraded in the streets and people have lost jobs for simply voicing disagreement with gay marriage. Gay rights have taken over and trump all rights.

  Long before John (I'm tired of looking up the spelling of his last name. so I will call him by his first name) - long before he tried to make his poor point, way back when homosexuality was trying to gain tolerance, that phrase was said a lot: It is our business what we do in the bedroom. And they were correct to a point. It is God's business what we do with our lives, and His Word says homosexuality is a sin and anyone living that life will go to hell.....along with people who commit other sins. But yes, outside of what God has to say about it, it is their business what they do in the bedroom.

  Unfortunately, it hasn't stayed in the bedroom. They march it down the street portraying all kinds of nudity and perversion in the name of wanting tolerance. They go after Christians who dare stand in their way, many of them fight to have kids as young as Kindergarten taught gay sex ed. They are encouraging kids to experiment with the same sex, they are indoctrinating people through Hollywood and their addition of gay characters to almost every show on TV.... and more. There is a segment of the gay community who will not be happy until it is a crime to say homosexuality is wrong. They won't be happy until ministers are forced to marry them or face fines and jail. They won't be happy until Christian schools and any other Christian business or ministry has to hire openly practicing  gay people. They don;t want tolerance - they have had that for years. They want total acceptance and no one standing in the way of anything they want, no matter how perverse or in your face.

  On the other hand, it is a blessing that it has become so open - though I am not agreeing with gay pride parades and their agenda. There was a day guys like me hid our struggles in fear. We were terrified to tell anyone, scared to seek help. With the "closet doors" being thrown wide open, it has made it easier for those of us with unwanted same-sex attractions to admit our struggle and seek help from ministries like Hope for Wholeness.  - which by the way, gay people hate and want to shut down along with any ministry that dares to want to help people with same-sex attractions change. How ironic the same people who say if a man doesn't want to be a man, he should be allowed to be a woman, says that anyone who is gay or has unwanted same-sex attractions should not try to change, nor should anyone be allowed to help them. If that makes sense to you, explain it to me.

  But anyway.....to contradict John's point, we are not going in their bedrooms. They pulled their bedrooms out in public and forced us all to make the world their bedroom. It is not hate or bigoted to stand up to their march across decency, morality, and religious freedoms.

  John isn't 100% wrong. The church has gotten it wrong for so long. As I have said before, no one struggling with same-sex attractions should have to hide in fear in the church pew, afraid to tell anyone or get help from their Christian brothers or sisters. The church needs to find the balance between truth and love, and not bigoted or homophobic, yet still stand against the gay agenda in the areas that matter. Will the militant gays accept that? No - they don't want anyone to disagree with them, but the more sane ones will get it.

 This post is getting too long, but I wanted to address one more part of John's blog. He said this:

In the Gospel accounts of his three-year ministry Jesus never utters a single word regarding gender identity or sexual orientation. Not one. These kind of public crusades about people’s body parts or private sexual conduct that are now so commonplace in modern Evangelical Christianity would have been foreign to him. 

  He seems to be making the point that since Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, He is OK with it, and we should be also, and shouldn't fight it. Jesus also never mentioned rape, incest, bestiality, pedophilia, and other things we know are wrong.... so that argument has as many holes as Swiss cheese.

 The only relationships Jesus talked about in regards to love and marriage was between a man and a woman. I have read, and imagine it to be true, that it wasn't much of an issue in Israel at that time. It was in Rome, hence the few mentions of it later in the New Testament. Also, Jesus is God and since it IS condemned elsewhere in the Bible, technically He did mention it and condemn it.

  The souls of our children are at stake, so this agenda must be fought, but we must remember the people behind that agenda are hurting people that God loves, and who need God. We must be careful how we fight and what we say, or we could turn them off forever from seeking God.

  In closing a few statements and questions:

1) If God is OK with homosexuality now, is He OK with the other sexual sins the Bible condemns - incest, bestiality, adultery? If not, why not?

2) Anyone who pats a gay person on the back and encourages them to pursue that lifestyle is no friend to them and cannot love and care about them. That lifestyle is more dangerous health wise, emotionally and mentally, and in other ways.... and will end in an eternity in hell - as will living a life of any sin. Any gay person who misses Heaven will not thank those who encouraged him to pursue a lifestyle of sin that God condemns.

3) The church DOES need to do a better job of addressing this issue, and love gay people without condoning their sin.

  I will close with one of my favorite verses that should give us all hope, 1 Corintians 6:11 (the 2 previous verses are here also for context)

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (CEV)

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[b] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


  1. Well done article. I appreciate your courage for your self-disclosure, and your determination to obey the Scriptures above all else. May you be blessed in that.

  2. You are the bravest most honest Christian writer I have ever read. Expect to be crucified. I will follow your blog from now on.